Gisele Navarro stopped trusting anybody else’s account of how good her traffic was and measured it herself, by source. She is the Managing Editor of HouseFresh, an independent air-quality review site that buys every product it tests, and on the Unscripted SEO episode she gave the numbers and the redesign she ran off the back of them. This SOP is that play, written so an in-house team or an agency can run it on one site this week.
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Replace vendor claims about traffic quality with your own measurement, then change the product to match what you find. You end with a source-level read of how long visitors stay and how many pages they open, a written intent for each group of sources, and a page template plus a video format rebuilt around the shortest visit you actually get. Gisele’s own read on HouseFresh: referrals from ChatGPT, Claude and Gemini stay about two minutes, while referrals from Reddit and YouTube stay six to eight and open multiple pages.
Key Steps
- Stop reporting on rank for the duration of this audit and pull a source report instead. Gisele’s framing: “So in general I don’t look at tools. What I look at is the traffic on the site and their behavior.” The input for this SOP is your analytics, not a visibility score you bought.
- Split referrers into three buckets before you look at a single number. Answer engines (ChatGPT, Claude, Gemini, Perplexity, Copilot), community and social (Reddit, YouTube, X, Instagram, Facebook), and everything search. Bucketing first stops you eyeballing thirty rows and seeing whatever you expected to see.
- Report two metrics per bucket, not one: engaged time and pages per session. The multi-page part is what separates a research visit from a check. Gisele on tape: “people who come from ChatGPT, from Claude, from Gemini, they spend very little amount of time on the site – like around two minutes. And then people who come from Reddit, YouTube, they spend six to eight minutes on the site. And they will go to multiple pages.”
- Write one sentence of intent for each bucket and make it survive a challenge. Hers, in her words: “Whereas I feel like the traffic we’re getting from LLMs is people that are coming maybe to check, but not necessarily to find. They already found, because the LLM told them.” A community referral arrives part-way through a research journey. An answer-engine referral arrives holding an answer and looking for confirmation.
- Rebuild the top of the page for the shortest visit you measured. Everything a verifier came to confirm – the pick, the number, the caveat – goes above the second scroll. “And in two minutes… I have changed the way I think about the pages, because I know that people right now are not spending a lot of time on the site. So then the first two scrolls, they get everything that they need. And then if they want to go deeper, they can.”
- Apply the same rule to video. “Our videos are built so that in the first three to four minutes you got everything you need. And then you can stay and watch more and see more and find out more.” Front-load the answer, keep the method and the long test underneath it.
- Keep the depth. Move it, do not cut it. The long-form body is what earns the community referral in the first place, and it is what a returning reader comes back for. This is a reordering, not a trim.
- Ship the change as a template edit, then re-measure against your own baseline after 30 days. Compare the new numbers to the ones you took in step 3, on the same site. Do not compare them to anybody’s published benchmark. (inferred – Gisele describes the redesign and the measurement, not a fixed re-check interval.)
Cautionary Notes
- An industry claim is not a measurement of your site. Gisele checked the popular one and it failed on her data: “I have seen the claims that actually traffic from ChatGPT is more engaged and it performs better and it stays longer – and it doesn’t match with what I see, comparing to something like Reddit or YouTube, or actual social networks, where I know the traffic coming from there is more likely to be a human being.” Run the audit before you repeat either version of the claim to a client.
- Short does not mean worthless. HouseFresh has not blocked the AI crawlers, and the reason is that a person shopping for an air purifier during a wildfire should be pointed at a unit that works. A two-minute verification visit is still a visit, and being the source an answer engine leans on has value your session report will not show you.
- Attribution will under-count the answer engines. Some of that traffic lands as direct or as a brand search, so the referral bucket is a floor, not a total. Read the trend, not the absolute. (inferred – not Gisele’s claim.)
- Do not act on a bucket with a handful of sessions in it. If a source has not accumulated enough sessions to be stable month over month, note it and wait. One good week is not a behaviour.
- Not every surface you could rank on is worth owning. When Gisele sat with the SERP to find where a demoted site could still show up, she took images, social posts and Reddit, and she turned one down outright: “I tried Quora. It’s like a no man’s land. It’s not real. Quora used to be something, but it’s not real. So I’m not going to waste my time here just because it’s going to rank.” The rejection is the skill. Without it this step becomes “post everywhere.”
- Own the surface rather than squatting on someone else’s. HouseFresh opened r/HouseFresh in March 2024 to answer questions under their own name: “we opened the subreddit, so we are not going into other subreddits to answer questions.” An existing community with your topic in its name is not automatically yours, and treating it as a distribution channel is how a brand gets removed from one.
Tips for Efficiency
- Save the segment, do not rebuild the report. Build the three buckets once as a saved comparison so the audit becomes a monthly five-minute read rather than a quarterly project.
- Start with one template, not the whole site. Pick the page type that takes the most referral traffic – usually the review or comparison template – and rewrite its top section. One template change covers hundreds of URLs.
- Test the top of the page by covering the rest of it. If the visible area does not answer the question the visitor arrived with, it is not finished. Do it on a phone, where two scrolls is a lot less than it sounds.
- Pair the audit with a SERP surface pass. While you have the data open, sit with the search results for your money terms and list every surface you could still appear on when your own pages cannot. Gisele’s list came out of exactly that exercise.
- Report the pages-per-session split to the client first. It is the number that changes the conversation, and it is harder to argue with than time on page.
Sources & Relevant Episodes
- Gisele Navarro, HouseFresh – she framed this as reading behaviour rather than tools, and rebuilt both the page template and the video format around the two-minute visit her own data showed her.
- Full interview recap: What AI referral traffic actually does on your site
- Episode page: Gisele Navarro on rebuilding HouseFresh after Google
- Watch it: the full interview on YouTube · Listen: the episode on Castos
- More procedures: the full SEO SOP library
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